According to Fowler, the conversation around regulation and insurance companies" new role within this transport space needs to mature. "It"s got to be a very iterative approach where we"re starting with pods and shuttles, or we"re starting with off-highway vehicles where you can see such a benefit, and you"ve got a more controlled environment potentially, and what works with that," she says. "Then we can scale it up and across more vehicle types, more use cases."